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Fedora 8 Officially released!
arstechnica.com — One of the most impressive new features included in Fedora 8 is the PulseAudio sound daemon, which will allow users to set the volume for each application individually, move streams between devices, redirect audio streams to other computers on the local network, and much more.
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- CupldStunt, on 11/09/2007, -1/+33God I hope this PulseAudio thing takes off. If I have to hear one more "CONGRATULATIONS, you've been selected for.." ad, I'm gunna flip out. Haha I always think It's my boss yelling at me from behind.
- eyegraphix, on 11/09/2007, -2/+13I read your user name as cupidstunt...then switched a few letters around in my mind and read it as, um, something else. God I have a dirty mind...
- VictoryGin, on 11/09/2007, -1/+4Hilarious unintentional anagrams FTW!
- shinynew, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3Unhelpable disorders FTW!
- justinjacobs, on 11/09/2007, -0/+6Indeed, his choice of name sure is smucking fart.
- crazybrit, on 11/09/2007, -2/+8If you all think this is unintentional, then you are ***** stupid.
- matperk, on 11/09/2007, -0/+7You should've used an anagram :'(
- benplaut, on 11/10/2007, -0/+1stucking fupid?
- VictoryGin, on 11/09/2007, -1/+4Hilarious unintentional anagrams FTW!
- ufia, on 11/09/2007, -1/+16Boss: "CONGRATULATIONS, you will have all day to browse Digg at home. You are FIRED!"
- scyon, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2just use adblock+ to block the domain that sends you the ads.
- eyegraphix, on 11/09/2007, -2/+13I read your user name as cupidstunt...then switched a few letters around in my mind and read it as, um, something else. God I have a dirty mind...
- simplyjat, on 11/09/2007, -20/+1duplicate story... why don't you see the duplicate links shown by digg....
- brizznady, on 11/09/2007, -11/+1The question of the day is will it install on VMware?
- FranTaylor, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3Like a champ! I've been testing 7.92 for quite a while now, it works great in VMware. Their network adapter doesn't compile, but you don't need it. Just reboot after running vmware-config-tools.pl
I have not tested Fedora 8 as a host platform. A patch will probably be necessaary.
- FranTaylor, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3Like a champ! I've been testing 7.92 for quite a while now, it works great in VMware. Their network adapter doesn't compile, but you don't need it. Just reboot after running vmware-config-tools.pl
- codehkr77, on 11/09/2007, -24/+1Nerds ... ready... set... gooooooooo
WHICH IS BETTER, UBUNTU OR FEDORA?- TheHydrogens, on 11/09/2007, -2/+20Neither. They are just different. Different distros are good for different people. End of discussion.
- oldhick, on 11/09/2007, -9/+1Nope. That's not really the end of the discussion is it? Which one is good for what? Many Windows users come from the land of XP. You didn't have to study to figure out which version was right for whom.
With that in mind, someone looking to make the jump into the linux world probably needs a little more in depth discussion on the differences between Ubuntu and Fedora to make a decision.- Waiting2awake, on 11/08/2007, -0/+3Both can do whatever windows can do, with the usual exceptions. They both make great general purpose computers. Myself I like Fedora more, but there is nothing wrong with Ubuntu at all. A guy here in the office just switched and tried Fedora for a few days and switched to Ubuntu, which he says he likes better. Different strokes to move the world.
- andycr512, on 11/09/2007, -1/+2http://www.johnwiseman.ca/blogging/attach/windows- ...
- schotty, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2Right. I found that the enthusiasts can easily get along with any Red hat product or derived product. The plain XP 'users' may tend to prefer Ubuntu or Linspire still. I am currently doing my F8 install still, so I could be eating my words and going "OMFG F8 is teh bestest!!!!". Most likely great, but hardly earth shattering.
- oldhick, on 11/09/2007, -9/+1Nope. That's not really the end of the discussion is it? Which one is good for what? Many Windows users come from the land of XP. You didn't have to study to figure out which version was right for whom.
- joebaloney, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1I'll let you know in a few hours.
- bowens44, on 11/09/2007, -1/+4Linux is Linux.
- Cymrubeats, on 11/09/2007, -6/+0You have just really depressed me with that statement. I'm kinda getting sick to death of all this random ***** going wrong with Ubuntu 7.10. It's a buggy piece of crap, and now i've been told ALL distros will be buggy pieces of crap, as i said, depressing.
- TeacherOfHeroes, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Ubuntu has always been a little bleading-edge, but overall I find that it strikes a good balance. If you find that it has (too many) bugs, I'd suggest you do one of four things.
1. Wait a few months before upgrading to the next version of ubuntu. Let them work the last few kinks out before you switch.
2. Stick with the LTS versions. 6.06 and the 8.04 release next year are going to be the releases with the most attention to bugs rather than new features.
3. File bug reports. Not only will it improve your experience in the long run, you'll be helping Ubuntu and the community in general.
4. If the above fail, use a distribution that puts more emphasis on stablility and less on newness. I'd suggest Debian Stable as a good example of this mentality.- Cymrubeats, on 11/10/2007, -0/+0yeah, i kinda overreacted with my post there...i tried fedora 8, and it wouldn't install at all (i ran the DVD check, and it 'passed' so to speak.) Anyway, my relationship with Ubuntu is very much a love/hate one just now, and i posted during a hate moment. :P Buggy, yes, a POC, no, far from it.
- TeacherOfHeroes, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Ubuntu has always been a little bleading-edge, but overall I find that it strikes a good balance. If you find that it has (too many) bugs, I'd suggest you do one of four things.
- Cymrubeats, on 11/09/2007, -6/+0You have just really depressed me with that statement. I'm kinda getting sick to death of all this random ***** going wrong with Ubuntu 7.10. It's a buggy piece of crap, and now i've been told ALL distros will be buggy pieces of crap, as i said, depressing.
- TheHydrogens, on 11/09/2007, -2/+20Neither. They are just different. Different distros are good for different people. End of discussion.
- akapsycho, on 11/09/2007, -10/+2The real question is: does it support my ATI video card now? Fedora 7 didn't do that and they're already bringing out Fedora 8?
- narkee, on 11/09/2007, -0/+5I think Fedora releases twice a year, regardless.
- skyshock1, on 11/09/2007, -2/+1What video card do you have? If it's a Radeon 9200 or below (cards that use the 250 chipset I think? correct me if i'm wrong), you're S.O.L. But if it's a 9500 or better, the new ATI drivers have got great reviews.
- JosephStalin, on 11/09/2007, -0/+6If you have a Radeon 9200 or others with that chip (r200, iirc) you'll get excellent support out of the box with stable fully open source drivers. I have a 9200 and I bought it specifically for those drivers. No issues whatsoever, and it handles Compiz perfectly even with all of the eyecandy I have enabled. The official ATI binary-only drivers, however, are utter *****.
- JosephStalin, on 11/09/2007, -0/+6If you have a Radeon 9200 or others with that chip (r200, iirc) you'll get excellent support out of the box with stable fully open source drivers. I have a 9200 and I bought it specifically for those drivers. No issues whatsoever, and it handles Compiz perfectly even with all of the eyecandy I have enabled. The official ATI binary-only drivers, however, are utter *****.
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 11/09/2007, -0/+12That's not really a Fedora issue. It's ATIs responsibility to either provide drivers or a workable framework for open source ones to be built a upon.
All three ATI cards I've owned didn't even work properly in Windows with the latest drivers so poor Linux support didn't surprise me, and I just made sure my laptop had an NVidia card when I bought it last year.
The point is that it's up to ATI to reach out to Linux like NVidia has (even though it's closed source which is sort of lame). - ausfahrt, on 11/09/2007, -1/+1I downloaded a linux driver from the ATI site two weeks ago and it works great on my Ubuntu distro. Would this not work here as well?
- arjie, on 11/09/2007, -0/+10Fedora has some awesome artwork! Though I've got to say I preferred the Balloons background. That DVD looks so damn cool.
- kazersoza, on 11/09/2007, -15/+3Will it blend?
- bscanlan, on 11/09/2007, -1/+6HEAnet's Mirror Service, http://ftp.heanet.ie/about/ , has rsync, http and ftp available over a 4Gbps link - IPv6 too :)
Get your Fedora 8 ISOs here - http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/fedora/linux/releases/8/F ...- chazuk, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2***** me that is quick.
Thanks.- daye, on 11/09/2007, -0/+4the iso file at the said mirror site is one week old. Could it be a pre-release version?
- chazuk, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2***** me that is quick.
- mmcgrath, on 11/09/2007, -0/+25Get Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora
Release Notes: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/
Install Guide: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/
Torrent: http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/- spacebar14, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3Torrent is plowing right along at 200KB/s on my ***** 3Mb line!
:)
- spacebar14, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3Torrent is plowing right along at 200KB/s on my ***** 3Mb line!
- skyshock1, on 11/09/2007, -12/+1Yeah yeah, we've heard about Pulse Audio for weeks now... what ELSE is different?
- FranTaylor, on 11/08/2007, -0/+5Why don't you read about it at fedora.redhat.com?
- winmywii, on 11/09/2007, -24/+5Can it run Ubuntu?
- muep, on 11/09/2007, -0/+5With the free software virtualization tools provided with it, it can run Ubuntu.
- MemoryDump, on 11/09/2007, -13/+3time to update my fedora 4 I guess.. nah.. I'll wait for 9
- Ramble, on 11/09/2007, -19/+2Pulse Audio, AKA Vista sound daemon.
- TeacherOfHeroes, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Yes...poor microsoft, always having their innovative ideas stolen by others...
- davidlitts, on 11/09/2007, -4/+23New version of fedora is good for the community, why do you ass hats never contribute anything to the discussion. "does it run Ubuntu" no retard it doesn't. Fedora 8 isn't ground breaking its a step forward, fedora along with others like pclinuxos and Ubuntu are slowly bringing a larger user base for Linux which means in the long term there will be a larger developer base for Linux win-win.
- shinynew, on 11/09/2007, -1/+2who are you yelling at?
- davidlitts, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1I know this may seem like a foreign idea but those characters on your screen are called letters, and if you learn to interpret them into "sentences" they contain information. now if you use all that knowledge you have and read the comments above this one you may, i do stress may, gain some insight as to what I'm talking-yelling-about.
- shinynew, on 11/10/2007, -0/+1yes but i saw no comments belittling the release, you need to calm down.
- davidlitts, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1I know this may seem like a foreign idea but those characters on your screen are called letters, and if you learn to interpret them into "sentences" they contain information. now if you use all that knowledge you have and read the comments above this one you may, i do stress may, gain some insight as to what I'm talking-yelling-about.
- init100, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3""does it run Ubuntu" no retard it doesn't."
Actually, it does. Fedora includes several virtual machines, among others Xen and KVM, so in fact you can run Ubuntu on Fedora.- davidlitts, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1touche salesman
- shinynew, on 11/09/2007, -1/+2who are you yelling at?
- sputnike, on 11/09/2007, -14/+4Listen and change audio levels of different instances of software!??! OH OMG THAT'S AWESOME :D Just like Vista did since the Pre-Beta 1 version you mean? :) (now if only XP, Win 2000, Ubuntu and Leopard had that built it, then I'd be happy).
- scyon, on 11/09/2007, -0/+6The difference is that Fedora 8 doesn't let playing an MP3 interfere with downloading a file from a server on your network.
It's the same feature, but it just works :)
- scyon, on 11/09/2007, -0/+6The difference is that Fedora 8 doesn't let playing an MP3 interfere with downloading a file from a server on your network.
- schestowitz, on 11/09/2007, -1/+6http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents/Fedora-8 ...
http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents/Fedora-8 ... - MBHoy, on 11/09/2007, -3/+4Good news, Desktop has fell out of use since I got my laptop up and running on Ubuntu. It still hasn't been upgraded from Feisty, actually. Might give Fedora a shot on there, will have to buy a CD/DVD though, don't have the best download speeds.
- Disfnord, on 11/09/2007, -2/+13Thanks for sharing.
- chlorinekid, on 11/09/2007, -2/+3i feel like i know so much about you :)
- Stonekeeper, on 11/09/2007, -1/+4Thanks for the heads up! I was wondering what you might do!
- keyo, on 11/09/2007, -1/+5In other news; today I broke my toenail.
- benplaut, on 11/10/2007, -0/+1My condolences. Are you going to write a review?
- ProxyContin, on 11/09/2007, -12/+1Does it come with Firefox 2.0 or are they still hanging on to 1.5?
- rahulsundaram, on 11/09/2007, -0/+10Umm, Fedora has Firefox 2 even in the previous release. You are talking about a version that is atleast a year old by now. Get yourself updated.
- pyrates, on 11/09/2007, -2/+2Implementation of PackageKit, a distribution neutral packaging format, for fedora 9 huh? Great. Maybe this will push other linux distro's to stop assuming everything the user will ever want will be on their repository.
- bpepple, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1umm, not quite. PackageKit is a front-end to a distros installation tool (be that yum, apt, conary, etc). For more info refer to: http://www.packagekit.org/pk-intro.html
- muep, on 11/10/2007, -0/+2I think PackageKit has more to do with a way to have similar package installation front ends for distributions who use different package management systems. I certainly wouldn't make a Fedora package work on Ubuntu better than it now would with the alien tool.
One thing the developers could do to make more packages available is try to make the packaging tools a bit easier to use, so that more people could package things for various distros. On the other hand, the tools used now aren't very difficult, but they require a bit knowledge on how to compile software to install temporarily somewhere else than the original developer may have intended.- GMorgan, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1You cannot create a package if you cannot compile software in any case. It's not enough to randomly toss a binary and a set of config files and man pages into a package. Many build systems are actually broken (try LFS and you'll see what I mean) and it takes time and knowledge to build a shippable package.
- bebopredux, on 11/09/2007, -1/+6Of course, Time Warner/Roadrunner shuts down my connection with ANY bit torrents like these so, I'll have to use ftp or http.
I'll give it a go though. Haven't used Fedora for some time. Hope they have gotten their act together. The fact that they didn't go along with MS (unlike Freespire, Xandros and SUSE) is enough for me to give them a go. - spacebar14, on 11/09/2007, -6/+1Hehe.
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Fedora Core 6 released- spacebar14, on 11/09/2007, -1/+1(That was FTA)
- v4vishal, on 11/09/2007, -2/+1I am not using BitTorrent.. I have got freaking comcast at home.
- sirhomer, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1Does the LiveCD include an installer?
- bpepple, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3You can install from the LiveCD, but it doesn't include Anaconda (the Fedora Installer). It dd's the live image onto the hard drive.
- rahulsundaram, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1The Live images do use Anaconda but there is a text based alternative too and yes they are installable to either a hard disk or USB flash.
- bpepple, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1Oops, I was 100% correct on that last answer. It appears you can do a text mode installation of the Live images using the liveinst command in the console.
- pgweiss, on 11/15/2007, -0/+0liveinst is just a front-end for anaconda. When I ran it, anaconda was pretty insistent about re-partitioning my drive. I just want to upgrade from Fedora 7. Can I do this with the live cd?
- bpepple, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3You can install from the LiveCD, but it doesn't include Anaconda (the Fedora Installer). It dd's the live image onto the hard drive.
- kevcool, on 11/09/2007, -4/+3Looks slick but I can't go back to an RPM-based distro. I'm sure they've cleaned that nonsense up a bit ... but once you're bit by something like that, it takes alot to consider switching back from Debian or others. Nonetheless, I guess we have a few camps and a good chunk of which prefers RPM.
- rahulsundaram, on 11/09/2007, -0/+7"RPM based" is a very broad sweep and yum, apt and smart is available for Fedora too and the quality of the repository is based on good packaging and not just the packaging format. Try Fedora now and you might be pleasantly surprised.
- muep, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3Being RPM based means nothing. The package manager is just one component of a distro, and the packagers matter much more than the PMS being used. Some people keep telling me about a dependency hell RPM supposedly creates, but I think any badly packages software will cause one on both RPM and deb based systems.
I agree that Debian is a very high quality distro that is much more suited to some tasks than Fedora. It may have some advantage over Fedora when doing a full system upgrade to the next version. I haven't done a yum upgrade between major versions of Fedora, but it is possible to do, too.
Debian's ability to do a full upgrade from a release to the next one isn't reliant on the package manager only, but it's Debian's developers and their policies that they obey that make this possible. Ubuntu is using Debian's PMS, too, but dist-upgrading it may well lead into trouble. Debian's PMS isn't a silver bullet, it's just a great tool for doing what it is supposed to do. With the recent speed and reliability improvements, I think RPM and Yum deserve to be described like that, too.- GMorgan, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Yeah, recently I tried installing some of the Haskell bindings in Gutsy. GHC has an annoying tendency to break binary compatibility (which is probably part of the reason we don't see many Haskell programs) and Gutsy has GHC and it's libraries out of sync, I had to find the 'gutsy-proposed' repo to get it working.
Anyway, the point is that any PM can produce crap packages.
- GMorgan, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Yeah, recently I tried installing some of the Haskell bindings in Gutsy. GHC has an annoying tendency to break binary compatibility (which is probably part of the reason we don't see many Haskell programs) and Gutsy has GHC and it's libraries out of sync, I had to find the 'gutsy-proposed' repo to get it working.
- higi, on 11/09/2007, -1/+4Fedora 8 has just replaced my Ubuntu installation.
It looks great and is the fastest distro i have ever tried. Incredibly responsive. - lambda, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2lol@ codecbuddy
This dates back to the old days of Gnome for things like Bug Buddy, which I think was a pretty funny name. Funny in a “Lets not take ourselves too seriously”. Then we had a series of other projects, many that we no longer have like “Floppy Buddy” (which formatted floppies).
You could go Apple and call it “Codec Tool”, or you could go Microsoft and call it “Codec Administrator”, or you could go Web 2.0 and call it Codeine, or go back to late 80’s and call it “CodecMaster 2000″ or even better “Turbo Codec Installer”, or go 90’s and call it “CodecShield”. pre-dot-boom naming is left as an exercise to the reader.
I kind of like the dont-take-yourself-too-seriously approach, but what do I know?
Neutrally,
Miguel - bocaJWho, on 11/09/2007, -0/+5my favorite feature is that YUM is noticeably faster.
- ldog, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3yumex seems as fast or close to synaptic now.
- Philluminati, on 11/09/2007, -1/+3I loved Fedora 6. When fedora 7 came out I thought it was even better. I broke it a few months ago so I decided to try out Debian. I then moved to Sabayon and Mandrake. All of them are good, but none of them feel like Fedora. I think I'll always end up back with Fedora even if I try again in future, it just "fits" me perfectly.
- init100, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1I agree. I run Fedora on both my laptop and my home desktop, but I usually download and try a live version of the other major every now and then, to get a feel for the progress of the competition. But still nothing has provided an advantage big enough to make me switch.
- init100, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1I agree. I run Fedora on both my laptop and my home desktop, but I usually download and try a live version of the other major every now and then, to get a feel for the progress of the competition. But still nothing has provided an advantage big enough to make me switch.
- textman, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2Red Hat Also Detailed Infrastructure Strategy
- alex.will, on 11/09/2007, -3/+1I'm sorry, but Nodoka is hideous.
- tehjarvis, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1"More impressive than Nodoka is the optional color-changing wallpaper, which will rotate through shades depending on the time of day."
Anyone know what this program is called?- rahulsundaram, on 11/10/2007, -0/+1Refer
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/ ...
- rahulsundaram, on 11/10/2007, -0/+1Refer
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